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[edit] Timeline of composers

the timeline is hideous 82.194.62.200 (talk) 03:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

This timeline is so typographically ugly that I think it's best to remove it altogether. In any case I'm taking it off the article for the present. Comments? --Kleinzach 01:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you help me with this timeline? I wanted to add messiaen but it went wrong. See the history to see what i mean. 85.146.24.65 (talk) 03:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The timeline is ugly, but it was helpful. I feel strongly that removing it was a mistake, and I think it should be reinstated. If no one disagrees with me, I'm going to put it back. 64.122.56.143 (talk) 03:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. As the previous person said it's hideous. Of course if you can fix it that would be excellent, but in its present form it discredits the encyclopedia. Thanks. --Kleinzach 03:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't have the knowledge to fix it, otherwise I would. Although Kleinzach makes a good point about the unattractiveness of the timeline, it isn't doing anyone any good by taking it down. I specifically come to this entry to look at that timeline, and frequently, as it's useful to see how the lifetimes of different composers overlap. Anyway, I'd like to get some feedback on this issue. It definitely needs improvement, but the question is, do we leave it up in its current state until it's modified? Or do we take it down completely? I think this should be decided based on more than the opinion of two people. 64.122.56.143 (talk) 22:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I put the time line back up again since no one's made it better yet. I like the timeline, ugly or not. It's helpful. -- Sarah 97.116.23.44 (talk) 06:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you tell me what it is helpful for? That way we can think of the best way to fix it. --Kleinzach 07:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll bite. It's useful as a guide to people who aren't familiar with classical music, and don't understand the temporal relationships between various composers and composition styles (information I don't think is readily apparent elsewhere in this article). I grew up immersed in the stuff, and I'm sometimes surprised by who was writing what when (and by how much I don't know...).

That said, should this be replaced by {{Timeline_Classical_Composers_Famous}}, also seen in List of classical music composers? (The main difference is that it only covers Renaissance to Romantic.) Alternatively, it could be removed, and replaced by a {{further}} (or similar template) pointing to the composer lists at an appropriate place. Magic♪piano 14:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

A graphic showing temporal relationships could be worthwhile. Unfortunately the present one is typographically so inept. and in any case so truncated, that I don't think anything meaningful can be seen. Many minor names are included: Harant, Torelli, Bortniansky etc. We are also up against the width of the screen which makes large graphics difficult to use. I agree {{Timeline_Classical_Composers_Famous}} is preferable to the one at the top of the page. --Kleinzach 04:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I think there is enough meaningful information within the graph to justify its existence, ugly though it is (e.g. one can see that Beethoven was born before Mozart died). I am in complete agreement with Kleinzach that this timeline can be greatly improved; however, this is not my area of expertise, so I don't think I can help with the creation of a new or improved graph.64.122.56.143 (talk) 01:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)